Photo credit: James D. Julia
In many recent publications, it’s often stated that the EMP36 was the direct predecessor of the MP38. While the external appearance of the EMP36 bears a resemblance to the MP38, it is evident that the internal mechanism of the MP38 is almost identical to Hugo Schmeisser’s M.K.36. Therefore, the M.K.36 can also be considered its immediate predecessor.
The M.K.36, III was a prototype designed by Hugo Schmeisser and was part of a series of so-called “Maschinenkarabiner” (machine carbines) developed between 1933 and 1936 at the C. G. Haenel, Waffen-u. Fahrrad-Fabrik in Suhl. In 1934, Schmeisser developed the Maschinenkarabiner 34 (MK34) prototype series. These submachine guns were designed to fire the 9mm Parabellum cartridge, most likely fed from box magazines. However, their dimensions differed from the "standard" submachine guns of the time. The length of the MK34 prototypes was comparable to the K98 rifle/carbines. The MK34 made use of a spring and bolt similar to those in the MP18 and MP28, and it appears that several versions were produced.
In the two years following the MK34 prototypes, Hugo Schmeisser continued to refine the "Maschinenkarabiner" series and developed the M.K.36. Like the MK34, the M.K.36 prototypes had dimensions similar to the K98. Unfortunately, little photographic evidence of these prototypes exists today. The photograph on the right supposedly shows two different examples of the M.K.36, though they could also be MK34 models.
In the picture to the right, you can see that some experimen-tation was conducted with the retracting handle. The top MK shows the handle on the left side, while the lower MK, appears to have it on the left. There was also experimentation with the sights and bayonet attachment. Both MK models share similar spring and bolt mechanisms with the MP28, though their wooden stocks differ significantly. In Chris Ellis and Peter Chamberlain’s "The Schmeisser Submachine Gun", it is suggested that the wood furniture and buttstock of a Gewehr 98 were used for one prototype, and parts from the Hungarian Huzagol rifle were used for another. However, after examining the stock of the Huzagol 35M rifle, I found no resemblance to the stocks shown in the photos here. The Huzagol 35M has a two-part buttstock as well.
The authors also mention a “MK36, II,” which suggests there were likely several prototypes of the M.K.36. The presence of a comma after "MK36" suggests earlier models “,I” and “,II” may have existed before the "M.K.36, III." This naming convention seems to apply to the MK34 as well.
Credit: The photos are from Thomas B. Nelson’s *The World's Submachine Guns (Machine Pistols)*, published in 1964 by International Small Arms Publishers.
Credit: The photos are from Thomas B. Nelson’s *The World's Submachine Guns (Machine Pistols)*, published in 1964 by International Small Arms Publishers.
The most significant and intriguing difference between the M.K.36 variants is that the M.K.36 in the left
-hand photo has a different spring and bolt than the earlier M.K.36s shown in the first black-and-white photo. The bolt and telescopic spring are nearly identical to those used in the MP38 and MP40. The retracting handle is on the right side, as opposed to the left, where it is found on the MP38 and MP40. The similarity between the bolt and telescopic spring is especially fascinating since Hugo Schmeisser did not continue developing the M.K.36, III due to a patent dispute—Heinrich Vollmer supposedly held the patent for the telescopic spring. This raises the question: Why did Berthold Geipel use the same telescopic spring and bolt in the MP38 as Schmeisser had used in the M.K.36, III?
One theory is that both the EMP36 by Erma and the M.K.36, III were tested together at Kummersdorf, and the military chose to let Erma continue developing their EMP36. However, they were required to incorporate Hugo Schmeisser's patented technology, including the “double-stack, single-feed” system he developed.
This is a somewhat ambiguous area, as I have often found that authors confuse the model numbers, resulting in misinformation. For example, in a booklet by Norbert Moczarski, the author claimed that Hugo Schmeisser developed the MP36. However, I believe this is incorrect, as I have personally seen the "Erma Erfurt" stamp on the MP36’s woodwork. In my view, Mr. Moczarski may have confused the M.K.36 with the EMP36.
Although I admire Schmeisser’s designs, I believe that in this case, Heinrich Vollmer’s “double-stack, double-feed” system would have been a smarter choice. It might have saved many German lives on the Eastern Front, though this is easier to say in hindsight. At the time, the decision must have seemed well thought out. As a result of the decision to use Schmeisser’s system, Haenel initially had exclusive rights to produce all the magazines and magazine loaders for the MP38. All magazines produced in 1938 and 1939 bear Haenel's code "122," as do the magazine loaders.
Furthermore it is interesting to see parts such as the bolt, telescopic spring, the MP41 end cap, and the MP44 fire selector, which appear again in Schmeisser's later designs.
Credit: James D. Julia
Photo credit: James D. Julia
Photo credit: Frank Ianamico
The EMP36, along with the MK36, III, can be considered the direct forerunners of the MP38. While it shares some design similarities with the MP38, the EMP36 has even a more distinct, almost sinister appearance. Its grip, reminiscent of the Luger or "Pistole 08," gives it a uniquely German look. Although the idea of a pistol grip on a submachine gun wasn’t new - sub-machine guns like the Thompson M1921 and M1928 already had similar features—what set the EMP36 apart was the absence of a fixed stock. Previous submachine guns, such as the MP18 and MP28, had resembled small carbines, but the EMP36 took a new approach.
Photo credit: Frank Ianamico
One key innovation in the EMP36 was the introduction of a folding stock. While this concept was relatively new in submachine gun design, Hugo Schmeisser had already secured a patent for a folding stock in 1935 (German patent number 679684 “Ausziehbare Schulterstütze einer Maschinenwaffe”; Extractable shoulder stock for a machine gun) This folding stock concept was likely driven by military needs, as Nazi Germany was preparing for war and sought a more compact weapon for use in armored vehicles. The military had requested that the weapon’s design reduce the space it occupied during transport, leading to the development of the folding stock. Schmeissers folding stock however was different from the one used on the EMP36. The folding stock used on the EMP36 (and later on the MP38 with an additional locking system) was designed by Ewald Pochert. His name appeared on a Finnish patent No. 21234.
https://patenttitietopalvelu.prh.fi/en/patent/19400060/
A new unique feature specified by the military was a small hook under the barrel’s front end, which prevented the weapon from being pulled back into the vehicle during automatic fire.
Another major design change was the positioning of the magazine. Unlike earlier submachine guns, which featured a side-mounted magazine for easier prone shooting, the EMP36’s magazine was mounted underneath. This likely reflected a shift in military thinking, as the benefits of a downward magazine—better balance and recoil control—outweighed those of the side-mounted design. However, the EMP36’s magazine is not entirely vertical; it’s angled slightly forward and to the right. This unusual positioning was required to accommodate the double-feed recoil system developed by Vollmer, making the EMP36’s internal mechanics similar to its predecessor, the Erma EMP.
Photo credit: Frank Ianamico
Only two examples of the EMP36 survive today: one is housed in the Military Museum in Prague, while the other is part of a private collection in the United States.
In contrast to the more traditional, rifle-like appearance of the MK36, III from Haenel, the EMP36 had a sleek, modern look, despite sharing many internal components with the EMP. The trigger mechanism and bolt, for instance, were directly carried over from the earlier EMP design. Interestingly, while Vollmer had patented improvements to the telescoping main spring guide—refining the original Schmeisser patent—the EMP36 does not incorporate these improvements. This suggests that while Vollmer had sold the production license for the VMP (which became the EMP) to Erma, there was no formal collaboration between Vollmer and Erma on the EMP36’s development.
The cocking handle was positioned on the left side of the weapon, allowing the shooter to operate the handle without removing their dominant hand from the grip. Additionally, a small rest bar with a serrated hook was placed beneath the muzzle, likely intended to prevent the weapon from recoiling out of an armored vehicle’s firing port during automatic fire.
The magazine, mounted underneath and slightly angled, was likely a new design as well, although no original specimen has survived. Interestingly, a surviving EMP36 in a U.S. collection has been made to function with an adapted magazine based on the MP38’s double-column, single-feed system. This is a curious departure, as Erma had previously used double-column, double-feed magazines in their earlier designs. Despite this, the bolt’s feed horns suggest that the original EMP36 magazine was indeed a double-feed design.
The sights on the U.S. example are flip-type, adjustable for distances of 100 and 200 meters. The Prague specimen, however, is missing its rear sight, although the groove dimensions match those of the earlier EMP. Other small components, such as the magazine catch, were likely repurposed from standard EMP production. The EMP36’s fire selector functioned similarly to its predecessor but featured a cross-pin selector switch instead of the EMP’s rotating lever.
Field stripping the EMP36 was done in much the same way as Vollmer had designed, although the disassembly lever found on earlier EMP models was replaced by a simpler button mechanism. This button, located in the middle of the forearm, was pulled out and turned to allow the receiver to be rotated and separated from the stock and body assembly. This modification was also incorporated into later EMP models as a safety feature to prevent accidental disassembly.
Overall, from a user perspective, the EMP36 represented a significant leap forward in design. Its folding stock made the weapon more compact, and the left-sided cocking handle allowed for smoother operation. The gun could be fired effectively with the stock either folded or unfolded, making it a versatile choice for the German military.
Photo credit: Prague Military Museum
by Frank Iannamico
Early MP38 prototype
Photo taken from "Beschreibung der Maschinenpistole 38"
Before the development of the EMP36 and MK36 into the MP38, there must have been several prototypes. Evidence of one such prototype can be found in the first official manual for the MP38, the “Beschreibung der Maschinenpistole 38.” The images in this manual clearly depict an early version of the MP38 that differs from the final production model.
One of the most noticeable differences is the uninterrupted longitudinal grooves on the receiver tube, which extend almost up to the strap loop where the serial number is stamped on production models. From a manufacturing perspective, it would have been cheaper to produce the tube with uninterrupted grooves, as it would require fewer milling operations. However, from a constructional standpoint, this design may have provided a less secure connection between the magazine housing and the tube, leading to the adoption of the interrupted grooves on the production model. Aesthetically, the interrupted grooves also gave the MP38 a more refined and polished appearance, suggesting that visual design played a bigger role than initially expected.
Photo taken from "Beschreibung der Maschinenpistole 38"
Another significant difference between this prototype and the production models is the use of wooden pistol grip plates, similar to those on the EMP36. These wooden grips give the prototype a distinctive “Pistole 08” or “Luger” style, adding to its more sinister appearance. It's possible that the wooden grips were used for presentation purposes or early photoshoots to give the weapon a better feel and appearance for potential buyers or evaluators.
Additionally, the folding stock on this prototype differs from the production model. In production, the folding stock has a locking pin that connects it to the frame, whereas the prototype appears to lack this feature. The exact locking mechanism on the prototype remains unclear.
Upon closer inspection of the photographs, a single-digit number—possibly a "2"—can be seen stamped on the end cap and magazine housing, though it's not entirely clear. The reason these prototype photos were used in the manual is also puzzling. The images in the manual show the magazine loader, which wasn't officially introduced until October 1938, as per the Heeres Verordnungblatt dated October 5th, 1938. This suggests the photos were taken in late 1938. By that time, one would expect enough MP38s to be in production to use for the manual. This raises the possibility that the magazine loader itself was also a prototype, though it lacks the typical features of a prototype accessory. Interestingly, all of the accessories shown in the photographs appear to be pre-production versions.
Photo credit: Michael Heidler, Military Museum Prague
The MP38 L was a very interesting experimental version of the MP38 developed in 1939. Not only the grip, but also the frame and the tube were completely made from aluminum. With the normal MP38, this was (partly) machined steel. In most literature written about the MP38 L, it is stated that it was produced by Erma. Reading from the stamps (EE =Erma Erfurt) on the barrel, this is a logical assumption, however, all aluminum MP38 parts were manufactured by Nüral (barrelprotector) and Fichtel and Sachs (MP38 grips). These companies were specialists in aluminum molding and machining. The design was probably by Erma, but the cast upper and lower receiver are marked with a commercial “AWW” logo. So this parts were made by the Aluminium-Werke Wutöschingen. A company that still exist nowadays.
There has been some speculation about the capital “L” and its meaning. G. de Vries and B.J. Martens come to the conclusion in their excellent “The MP38, 40, 40/1 and 41 Submachine Gun – Propaganda photo series II” that it must mean “Leightmetall” (Light-weigt Metal). Another explanation is that the “L” stands for “Luftwaffe”. The “L” stamp was used on other weapons like the K98 and HP35 as well.
In my opinion, the original MP38 was developed for armored troops and not especially for the “Fällschirmjäger” (paratroopers), mainly because of the hook below the barrel that made sure that the MP could not accidentally be pulled into the vehicle while shooting, and of course the folding stock. The Luftwaffe might have initiated the development of this prototype.
The receiver tube and magazine holder of the MP38 (L) are made from a single piece of 4mm cast and machined aluminum. This part still includes the same push button and ejector as the ones used in the MP38. What stands out is the locking system. The receiver tube has a locking connector that fits into the grip’s connector. While the locking system is similar to that of the regular MP38, it is designed differently. The entire connection system seems very strong. Overall, the weapon has a solid look and feel.
Photo credit: Michael Heidler, Military Museum Prague
Photo credit: Michael Heidler, Military Museum Prague
On top of the tube, a newly designed sight is attached. Instead of two small screws at the corners, the screws are placed in the center—one at the front and one at the back of the sight. The sight is set for distances of 100m and 200m.
The grip is made from one piece of cast aluminum. The frame wasn’t designed to have a Bakelite foregrip wrapped around it. In fact, no Bakelite is used at all in this design. The pistol grip plates are made of wood, similar to those used later on the MP44, but they are not really comparable to the EMP36 hand plates. The locking breech that connects the frame to the upper receiver is different. The "button" is slightly larger and has a different shape.
The barrel nut is made of steel and is longer because of the larger screw thread on the tube. There is no separate strap loop since it is molded into the upper receiver.
The tube holds a regular bolt and telescopic spring, but the internal parts I examined were not original to the gun—they were taken from another MP38 or MP40. All other parts are identical to those of a regular MP38.
Interestingly, the frame is stamped with the serial number V3013 on the bottom. I assume the “V” stands for "Versuch" or "Versuchsmodell" (which means "experimental model"). I doubt 3,013 units of the MP38 (L) were made! The first "3" likely indicates that this was the third test series, maybe experimenting with different materials like sheet metal or aluminum. The "13" probably shows this was the 13th MP38 (L) produced. According to G. de Vries and B.J. Martens, at least three specimens still exist. One is owned by the Prague Military Museum (which is the one I examined), and another is in the hands of a Belgian collector (who I’d love to contact; info@mp40.nl!!!). Any more information would be welcome.
Photo credit: Michael Heidler, Military Museum Prague
Photo credit: Michael Heidler, Military Museum Prague
In my view, the MP38 L was one of many attempts to create a cheaper, easier-to-produce version of the MP38. As I mentioned earlier, by 1938 it was clear that Erma couldn’t meet the high demand from the different branches of the armed forces. Early in 1940, Haenel was also asked to produce the MP38 to increase production. Simplifying the production process was one approach.
The MP38 (L) was an experiment to create a simplified design with less machining. In the same year (1939), there were probably other developments in sheet metal stamping by companies like Merz Werke and National Krupp Registrier Kassen GmbH (future subcontractors). These breakthroughs were revolutionary and led to the development of the all-sheet-metal MP40.
The aluminum MP38 (L) was an interesting weapon from a design standpoint. It simplified the MP38’s design even further and reduced its weight by 1kg. However, due to restrictions on the use of aluminum in the small arms industry (it was reserved mainly for the aircraft industry), the decision was made to go with the sheet metal version.
Photo credit: Military Museum Prague
Photo credit: Military Museum Prague
Photo credit: Military Museum Prague
In 1941, Merz Werke (COS) already experimented with an integral grip that would combine the pistol grip with the frame in order to simplify production. Merz Werke was a specialist on sheet metal stampings. Merz Werke produced a lot of the pistol grips, frames and tubes for the three main assemblers of the MP40, Erma, Haenel and Steyr. Early 1940 Steyr started manufacturing their own sheet metal parts.
At this point in time this new development was, for unknown reasons, not used in the production version of MP40. Steyr had just joined the production of the MP40 and the required demands of the Armed forces were roughly met.
Merz Werke must have offered Haenel the newly developed integral grip to use in their revolutionary MKB42 designed by Hugo Schmeisser. As stated Haenel already made use of Merz Werke as a subcontractor to produce the pistol grips and frames of the MP40. The same sheet metal stamping techniques were used in the MKB42/MP43/44. In 1943 Steyr started using the new integral frame in the last production version of the MP40.
The stamps on the receiver cap of this prototype does not show a regular production code like ayf, bnz or fxo. On the top it shows MP40 and underneath just the building year 41. On the side of the cap the serial number 005 is stamped vertically. Under the serial code is the COS (Merz Werke) stamp and the waffenamt stamp WaA44. The rest of the weapon shows the characteristics of an early MP40 with smooth magazine holder.
Photo credit: Military Museum Prague
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